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Shorty · November 27th, 2006, 10:59 PM

I always hear Grady mentioning about how he has a system to tell when a cue ball will double kiss the object when trying to cross side or cross corner bank. What system is he using? In my mind, I just know whether a bank is possible or not, but I also know of ways to kill the cue ball or speed it up a little to get it out of the way. These banks really only come into play with bank pool or one pocket moreso than 9 ball. Anyone have any advice or a system they use?

Thanks,
Shorty

cfryer5 · November 27th, 2006, 11:40 PM

Well I'm with you.. I don't always use a system. I just know if it is bankable. A lot of shots are.. depending on the angle. An easy thing to remember is if you're banking to a pocket on the right... putting left on the cueball with greatly increase that angle... and banking left, use right on cueball.

asmith27 · November 28th, 2006, 12:12 AM

I’m no expert but I’ll chime in anyway. I handle my bank shots the same as you, I pretty much eye them up and it just looks right or wrong. The one thing I have been working on is applying English in these types of shots. Of course you have to consider the distance between cue ball and object ball. You also have to consider the speed of your stroke that will determine the amount of throw placed on the object ball and the reaction of the object ball off of the rail and your resulting cue ball position on the next object ball. Other than that it’s a piece of cake.

Every shot scenario is so different I can’t imagine a perfect “system” that would be fool proof, but much like Shorty I would love to hear any suggestions. Upon rereading this post I’ve come to realize that I have added absolutely nothing of value to this conversation. As a last ditch effort to legitimize my post I would say try multiple staged scenarios with any and all English applications to the cue ball. Try to get a feel for it and with enough practice you’ll make it look easy. I have yet to achive this but I saw it on TV so it must be possible.

cfryer5 · November 28th, 2006, 05:56 PM

Here are a links relating to different banking systems.

http://www.jimloy.com/billiard/kick3.htm
http://www.jimloy.com/billiard/billiard.htm
http://experts.about.com/q/Pool-Bill...ond-system.htm

jgpool · December 3rd, 2006, 12:21 PM

For what it's worth. I was taught that if you can shoot the cue ball straight into the pocket that is in the direction of your cue ball path when youu have to go in front of an object ball when banking it, then the bank can be made without a double kiss. Remembering that english can change things.

Joe G

CaptainHook · December 6th, 2006, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by cfryer5

Here are a links relating to different banking systems.

http://www.jimloy.com/billiard/kick3.htm
http://www.jimloy.com/billiard/billiard.htm
http://experts.about.com/q/Pool-Bill...ond-system.htm

Great Links, Thank you for posting them.

Slowhand · December 6th, 2006, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jgpool

For what it's worth. I was taught that if you can shoot the cue ball straight into the pocket that is in the direction of your cue ball path when youu have to go in front of an object ball when banking it, then the bank can be made without a double kiss. Remembering that english can change things.

Joe G

That's the same thing I was taught, and I believe I saw it in Grady's video too, so I'm guessing that's the system he's talking about. Basically if you can shoot the OB straight into the corner pocket, and it's straight enough that the OB is blocking the pocket for a scratch, then there's a good chance you'll double kiss it if you try to bank it cross corner. Same concept can be used for the side.

One Pocket Smitty · December 6th, 2006, 11:30 PM

The deal about shooting the cueball in the pocket is right on. However, you can cheat the pocket a little by moving the cueball away from the double kiss. But it is a good measure to go by.---Smitty

jgpool · December 7th, 2006, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Slowhand

That's the same thing I was taught, and I believe I saw it in Grady's video too, so I'm guessing that's the system he's talking about. Basically if you can shoot the OB straight into the corner pocket, and it's straight enough that the OB is blocking the pocket for a scratch, then there's a good chance you'll double kiss it if you try to bank it cross corner. Same concept can be used for the side.

I am thinking that Charlie Shootman told me about this concept way back. He might have gotten it from Grady when Grady was in Colo Sprgs. Or the other way around.

tpdtom · April 4th, 2007, 02:22 PM

According to Freddy "The Beard" Bentivegna in his book, all great bankers have one thing in common. That is that they try to stay on the vertical axis of the cue ball whenever possible. Most banks should be hit with one tip of follow for consistency. The cloth, the rails, the humidity, the balls themselves, and other things like position can change the angle and the english that may be needed. Most of us know that follow lengthens an angle, and that draw shortens it. Similarily, inside or reverse english tightens a bank, while outside or natural english widens it. On a long slow bank(without english), at pocket speed, the "collision induced throw" will sometimes ruin a bank well hit. All that might be needed is one tip of the correct english to overcome this but it's not always so. I highly recommend Freddy's two books, "Banking with the Beard", and the "Gospool" to anyone who's serious about the subject. The best bankers like Bugs and Grady have all praised it and acknowledged the secrets contained in it.

Oh, by the way, if anyone ever has any doubts about the banking knowledge of Freddy, or even the players in Chicago in general , just go to North Shore Billiard Club and get in a game of Banks or One-Pocket

. They take banking to a whole nother level :P...Tom

BHQ · April 4th, 2007, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jgpool

For what it's worth. I was taught that if you can shoot the cue ball straight into the pocket that is in the direction of your cue ball path when youu have to go in front of an object ball when banking it, then the bank can be made without a double kiss. Remembering that english can change things.

Joe G

i was taught the same method by a former world champ bank player, at least that what i was told about him, don't know that for a fact
i just happen to ask him one day while we were playing one hole , how to tell when the kiss is on?
makes sense and it works

CaptainHook · November 26th, 2007, 05:11 PM

Pass over banks are my favorite.

I love to practice those.

November 27th, 2006, 10:59 PM	#1
Shorty User Information: Status: Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Forum Activity: Reputation: Score: 10	Cross side or cross corner banks I always hear Grady mentioning about how he has a system to tell when a cue ball will double kiss the object when trying to cross side or cross corner bank. What system is he using? In my mind, I just know whether a bank is possible or not, but I also know of ways to kill the cue ball or speed it up a little to get it out of the way. These banks really only come into play with bank pool or one pocket moreso than 9 ball. Anyone have any advice or a system they use? Thanks, Shorty
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November 27th, 2006, 11:40 PM	#2
cfryer5 User Information: Status: Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Forum Activity: Reputation: Score: 11	Well I'm with you.. I don't always use a system. I just know if it is bankable. A lot of shots are.. depending on the angle. An easy thing to remember is if you're banking to a pocket on the right... putting left on the cueball with greatly increase that angle... and banking left, use right on cueball.
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November 28th, 2006, 12:12 AM	#3
asmith27 User Information: Status: Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: PA Forum Activity: Reputation: Score: 10 Networking:	I’m no expert but I’ll chime in anyway. I handle my bank shots the same as you, I pretty much eye them up and it just looks right or wrong. The one thing I have been working on is applying English in these types of shots. Of course you have to consider the distance between cue ball and object ball. You also have to consider the speed of your stroke that will determine the amount of throw placed on the object ball and the reaction of the object ball off of the rail and your resulting cue ball position on the next object ball. Other than that it’s a piece of cake. Every shot scenario is so different I can’t imagine a perfect “system” that would be fool proof, but much like Shorty I would love to hear any suggestions. Upon rereading this post I’ve come to realize that I have added absolutely nothing of value to this conversation. As a last ditch effort to legitimize my post I would say try multiple staged scenarios with any and all English applications to the cue ball. Try to get a feel for it and with enough practice you’ll make it look easy. I have yet to achive this but I saw it on TV so it must be possible.
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November 28th, 2006, 05:56 PM	#4
cfryer5 User Information: Status: Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Forum Activity: Reputation: Score: 11	Here are a links relating to different banking systems. http://www.jimloy.com/billiard/kick3.htm http://www.jimloy.com/billiard/billiard.htm http://experts.about.com/q/Pool-Bill...ond-system.htm
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December 3rd, 2006, 12:21 PM	#5
jgpool User Information: Status: Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Colorado Springs CO Forum Activity: Reputation: Score: 11	Crossside or Crossbanks For what it's worth. I was taught that if you can shoot the cue ball straight into the pocket that is in the direction of your cue ball path when youu have to go in front of an object ball when banking it, then the bank can be made without a double kiss. Remembering that english can change things. Joe G
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December 6th, 2006, 11:30 PM	#8
One Pocket Smitty User Information: Status: Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Hideaway, Tx. Forum Activity: Reputation: Score: 10	Banks The deal about shooting the cueball in the pocket is right on. However, you can cheat the pocket a little by moving the cueball away from the double kiss. But it is a good measure to go by.---Smitty
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April 4th, 2007, 02:22 PM	#10
tpdtom User Information: Status: Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Grosse Pointe , Michigan Forum Activity: Reputation: Score: 10	According to Freddy "The Beard" Bentivegna in his book, all great bankers have one thing in common. That is that they try to stay on the vertical axis of the cue ball whenever possible. Most banks should be hit with one tip of follow for consistency. The cloth, the rails, the humidity, the balls themselves, and other things like position can change the angle and the english that may be needed. Most of us know that follow lengthens an angle, and that draw shortens it. Similarily, inside or reverse english tightens a bank, while outside or natural english widens it. On a long slow bank(without english), at pocket speed, the "collision induced throw" will sometimes ruin a bank well hit. All that might be needed is one tip of the correct english to overcome this but it's not always so. I highly recommend Freddy's two books, "Banking with the Beard", and the "Gospool" to anyone who's serious about the subject. The best bankers like Bugs and Grady have all praised it and acknowledged the secrets contained in it. Oh, by the way, if anyone ever has any doubts about the banking knowledge of Freddy, or even the players in Chicago in general , just go to North Shore Billiard Club and get in a game of Banks or One-Pocket . They take banking to a whole nother level :P...Tom Last edited by tpdtom : April 4th, 2007 at 02:39 PM.
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November 26th, 2007, 05:11 PM	#12
CaptainHook User Information: Status: Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Flamingo, St.Pete FLA. Forum Activity: Reputation: Score: 10	Pass over banks are my favorite. I love to practice those. Last edited by CaptainHook : November 26th, 2007 at 05:13 PM.
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